Hey it's a post from that ridiculous/amazing/this is the worst idea/this is the best idea Make-Your-Own Meme "blog every day of November" thing! Original post/list of topics. Feel free to add more: LJ | DW — anon and openID welcome!

[personal profile] lassarina: the trope that irrevocably destroys a story for you (here)

So riding on the coattails of yesterday's entry, I guess my answer here is pretty obvious: probably no trope will, by itself, destroy a work for me.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely tropes and clichés I'm predisposed against and I'll get to those in a minute, but overall I actually... tend to be more interested in a work if it has something I don't like in it but is good despite — or because of — that?

But let's back up a second. I said yesterday that I believe any idea can be done well. And I do think that's essentially true. But then for today's entry I realized that there ARE some tropes that just leave a sour taste in my mouth. I never really thought about them much before, and now that I HAVE I feel kind of... awkward? Cause it turns out that they're things like Wife Husbandry and Damsel in Distress and Magical Negro and Evil Cripple and Pet Homosexual and I kind of see a trend emerging =\

So I guess I don't like tropes that deny inherent agency or that disparage identity. And I guess that shouldn't be news to me, at this point — and in a sense it's not, because the more I've learned, the harder it's become to like things I once used to enjoy like, um, most Disney movies — but I still find myself wondering:

What IS the relationship between execution and idea?

Because some of these tropes sound less like ideas and more like executions. So I mean, a creator has an idea, something they want to express, and did they HAVE to express it by sticking a mysterious earthy black person in the story to guide the white protag along, or did they HAVE to have the person in distress be a lady or... etc. And I think I'm going to want to think/talk about this some more later, I suspect (now I am simply too TIRED), because this sounds really interesting to me, where idea ends and execution begins. LUCKILY YOU ARE ALL SPARED because ira needs some effing sleep.


A short one >.>

So the first two Kushiel's Legacy trilogies are a study in contrasts wrt this post and the previous: I loved the first trilogy despite a lot of its content, but I just didn't like the execution of the second one even though it contained so many ideas I was predisposed to love.


So I guess these two questions have given me a lot to think about. Also I am apparently very contrary: no amazing idea will save you from my GRUMPYFACE OF JUDGMENT if you can't execute it properly, but if you have some things I don't like and do them really well, you are apparently my friend. Everyone may begin despairing of me immediately.
Hey it's a post from that ridiculous/amazing/this is the worst idea/this is the best idea Make-Your-Own Meme "blog every day of November" thing! Original post/list of topics. Feel free to add more! LJ | DW. If something comes up in any of these posts that you'd like to hear more about, please feel free to just make it into its own topic! HERE GOES NOTHING. YOU (SORT OF) ASKED FOR IT.

[personal profile] stealth_noodle: tropes and/or clich├ęs that you love so much you're willing to put up with aggressively mediocre works for their sake. (here)
(I promise I will do the other topic you submitted as well; I'm finding it easier to bump individual skipped topics to other days than moving the whole schedule around >.>)


This one merited some really hard thinking. Like, you have no idea. I ALMOST WENT TO TVTROPES OVER THIS. THIS IS THE FATE YOU NEARLY CONDEMNED ME TO.

I kept agonizing: what do I love enough that I will read/watch/play/consume anything with that thing in it? And well. I think I knew the answer all along, I just didn't want to face it.

Because the answer is: NOTHING

This sounds like a cop-out and I was convinced of that at first, too. But bear with me >.>

It's not the destination but the journey that matters. SERIOUSLY. )


So. There you have it. Nothing excuses "meh" execution for me — in fact, mediocre executions infuriate me apparently! — but there ARE plenty of tropes I like!

Shit guys, should I make a list of the canons/fandoms I've mentioned in this entry? This feels like it needs a list. Does it need a LIST?

ETA: List has been requested!

Mentioned Works
Avatar: The Last Airbender
DCU - Batman
DCU - Green Arrow
DCU/DCAU/Smallville for Lex Luthor
Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog
Dresden Files
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy VIII
Fullmetal Alchemist
Gentleman Bastard (The Lies of Locke Lamora, etc.)
Grosse Point Blank
Gunnerkrigg Court
Harry Potter
House, M.D.
House of Leaves
Invader ZIM
Johnny the Homicidal Maniac
Lackadaisy Cats
Léon/The Professional
Marvel - Iron Man
Marvel - Runaways
One Piece
Pirates of the Caribbean
Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs for Hannibal Lecter
REPO! The Genetic Opera
Sam and Max
Samurai Champloo
Sherlock Holmes

Works I Wanted to Mention But Couldn't Because of Spoilers
(some spoilery works were mentioned in other contexts)
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy XII
Kushiel's Legacy
Planescape: Torment
Vorkosigan Saga




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