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wow.
i just realized one of my methods of distraction

when i'm upset, i have an urge to find something beautiful.

simple. so simple.

something beautiful, to distract my mind, make me contemplate something positive, something with a hope in it.

i like that.

anyway. it's 4 in the morning. i'm allowed to be stupid and obvious.

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that's not obvious. just think of fight club, where his response was the complete opposite - "i wanted to put a bullet between the eyes of every panda who wouldn't screw to save his species. i wanted to destroy something beautiful.'

or something like that. i much prefer your response.

can you tell i should be writing a paper?

but you *could* think of our responses as similar. i want to find something beautiful and understand/encompass/take it in... thereby somehow killing a little of its beauty.

that's not very positive, but ahwell.

i felt like arguing =P

no, that's not very positive. but maybe you're right, maybe you are killing a little of its beauty. but in the process, you're creating some in yourself.

(no, you're wrong!)

point

somehow, what you said made me think of the law of conservation of energy... how there is a fixed amount of energy around and it doesn't change just because there was a transfer..

perhaps there is a fixed amount of beauty in the world, and in seeing and taking in something beautiful, we *take in* that beauty and transfer some of it from that thing to ourselves without changing the sum amount of beauty...

and to balance it out, as, if everyone found soetehing pretty, say, a poem, then evwentually it would be drained out beauty...

to balance it out, we give it back a sort of beauty - a beauty of appreciation.

we take a beauty of calming, or another emotion (perhaps the beauty will enrage, as it did in fightclub), and we give back a beauty of appreciation

Ira's Law of the Conservation of Beauty

i don't think there's a fixed amount, really. i'd prefer to think that it increases along with entropy. however, things do run out of beauty sometimes - songs that get overplayed on the radio, for example. things can run out of beauty, but it's because someone's taken the beauty they got from it and turned it into something new, or applied it to something old.

also true.

at the beginning of my comment, i was thinking that it would be nice of beauty increased... however, i'm feeling pessimistic, as mentioned =P

so yes.

thanks for the foodforthought, though =)

all very interesting.

one may argue that inspiration is a form of beauty, and that one takes inspiration from something beautiful... i.e., nothing can inspire someone more than once, therefore some of it's beauty will be gone after doing so.

however, if this is true, then there is the matter of individual perception, whereby the same beatiful thing may inspire anyone who sees it.... there seems to be an unfortunately endless supply of people (one of those days), so theoretically every beautiful thing may inspire an infinite number of people (even played-out songs are beautiful to those who have never heard them before); therefore everything may be considered to have an infinite supply of beauty. when people turn their isnpiration into their own beautiful things, they create more "stores" of beauty, which may inspire an infinite number of people.

all just theory, but according to it, not only is there an infinite amount of beauty in the universe, but it is constantly growing (... becoming... more... infinite?), and at an incredibly rapid pace at that.

again, all just theory, and coming from me, most likely highly idiotic and heavily flawed.

butyes.

and you should be asleep at 4am44 or whenever it was that you started all of this!

pleasant dreams
jkavv

that is actually quite a good way to think about it, but... what about when something beautiful is destroyed?

a willow tree can be very beautiful, but then it can be destroyed when people cut it down and put some ugly cement thing there instead.

and the interesting thing is that the destruction of beauty seems to be done wholly by people.
a forest is beautiful, and people cut them down.
however, a forest fire caused by lightning is awesome and powerful, though also sad... but the trees grow again, richer than before.

so, what does this say of humans?

(note: i don't like humans, mostly. we can make many pretty things, like music, art, emotion... but we do unforgiveable things.)

A forest can be beautiful, but so are buildings, and roads, and civilization, and everything that takes its place. By destroying beauty, it opens room for more, different beauty.

again, i agree...

i remember talking to you and you telling me that you found many man-made things beautiful.
yes, they can be. there is a certain majesty about skyscrapers, adn sprawling cities, and such.

however, do note that i said "ugly cement thing" or something along those lines... now, a skyscraper would be forgiveable, but i find it harder to appreciate those blocks of cement they call buildings... hard, but not impossible.

taken together with Dan's point below... gives for an interesting theory

oh, yes, i absolutely abhorr humans as a whole; i can stand only a few individuals. however, there is truth in what Claire says... going back to the concept of individual perception, some may find a willow tree to be a thing of unspeakable majesty, while others find a soaring cement structure to be equally or possibly even more beautiful. i do not give my own views on this, as they are highly hypocritical; but in any case, one may introduce another theory, that anything may be beautiful to someone, thereby compounding the concept of a universe filled with infinite beauty.

one flaw with this theory is that not all will be able to appreciate all of that beauty, however, like the hypothesis that good could not be appreciated without evil, one may formulate yet another theory stating that beauty could not be appreciated without ugliness, all in the eye of the beholder.

soyes. again, all just theory, and not even (definitely) personal opinion.

pleasant dreams
jkavv

i like that point of individual perception... how something that looks very beautiful to one peson seems like nothing special (or even something ugly) to another.

and also the point of not being able to appreciate beauty without ugliness. i can believe this - if there was only beauty in the world... that sounds all nice and ideal, but if one is immersed in beauty and nothing else, one will eventually stop being amazed by it, and the beauty will gradually lose its luster, until it's just a sea of neutrality.

so, in a way, ugliness is all for the best.

lets us know what we're not missing.

exactly.

or something.

pleasant dreams
jkavv

::hugs::

i love you.

pleasant dreams
jkavv

damn, there were very many typos and stupid things in there.

ah well.

anyway.

pleasant dreams
jkavv

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